A shemale ([info]shemale) wrote,
@ 2008-07-08 12:14:00
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via [info]lost_angelwings and [info]aesmael
Holy shit!

William Sanders, senior editor of Helix magazine, sent Luke Jackson a rejection letter for one of his stories, reposted here, that goes as follows:
No, I'm sorry but I can't use this.

There's much to like. I'm impressed by your knowledge of the Q'uran and Islamic traditions. (Having spent a couple of years in the Middle East, I know something about these things.) You did a good job of exploring the worm-brained mentality of those people - at the end we still don't really understand it, but then no one from the civilized world ever can - and I was pleased to see that you didn't engage in the typical error of trying to make this evil bastard sympathetic, or give him human qualities.

However, as I say, I can't use it. Because Helix is a speculative fiction magazine, and this isn't speculative fiction.

Oh, you've tacked on some near-future elements at the end, but the future stuff isn't in any way necessary to the story; it isn't even connected with it in any causal way. True, the narrator seems to be saying that it was this incident which caused him to take up the jihad, but he's being mendacious (like all his kind, he's incapable of honesty); he was headed in that direction from the start, and if it hadn't been the encounter with the stripper it would have been something else.

Now if it could be shown that something in this incident showed him HOW the West could be overthrown, then perhaps the story would qualify as SF. That might have been interesting. As it is, though, no connection is shown and in fact we are never told just how this conquest - a highly improbable event, to say the least - came about.

There are some other problems with the story, but there's no point in going into them, because they don't really matter from my viewpoint. It's not speculative fiction and I can't use it in my magazine.

And I don't think you're going to sell it to any other genre magazine, for that reason - though you'd have a hard time anyway; most of the SF magazines are very leery of publishing anything that might offend the sheet heads. I think you might have a better chance with some non-genre publication. But I could be wrong.

Sorry.

William Sanders
Senior Editor
Helix
And then Anonymous, who would seem to be William Sanders, responded to the LJ comment posting the rejection letter with
Son, hasn't anybody ever told you that public posting of a private email message is contrary to the rules both of accepted internet practice and common courtesy?

I do appreciate your efforts to be fair - certainly far more so than most of the other people in this ward, ah, group - but the fact remains that you've done something both socially and professionally unacceptable in posting it at all. So if you had any idea of submitting anything else to Helix, forget it. I won't work with people who pull this kind of shit.

I suppose this is what I get for trying to be a nice guy, and give you a little encouragement rather than the standard thanks-but-no-thanks form rejection. Silly me.

(I notice, too, the presence in the lynch mob of another person I've tried to help, and to whom I thought I'd been particularly kind. No good deed, etc.)

Of course none of these people have read the story, and so they fail to grasp the context - that I was talking not about Muslims, or Arabs, or Oompa Loompas or any other religious or ethnic group, but about terrorists and violent extremists. (That being, after all, what your story was about.)

But I don't feel any need to defend myself, or Helix, to these people; indeed I doubt that there's anybody outside their little Mutual Masturbation Society who gives a damn what they think about anything at all.

They are cordially invited to have intercourse with their precious selves. I'm sure most of them could use the practice.



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[info]electric_worry
2008-07-08 04:31 pm UTC (link)
wut

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[info]recommendation
2008-07-08 04:34 pm UTC (link)
worm-brained mentality of those people

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[info]shemale
2008-07-08 04:36 pm UTC (link)
like all his kind, he's incapable of honesty

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as a bastard, i take offense at this particular quote.
[info]recommendation
2008-07-08 04:39 pm UTC (link)
I was pleased to see that you didn't engage in the typical error of trying to make this evil bastard sympathetic, or give him human qualities

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(no subject) - [info]shemale, 2008-07-08 04:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]recommendation, 2008-07-08 04:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shemale, 2008-07-08 04:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]recommendation, 2008-07-08 04:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shemale, 2008-07-08 04:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]recommendation, 2008-07-08 04:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ginasketch, 2008-07-13 09:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lilituc, 2008-07-08 05:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ginasketch, 2008-07-13 08:23 am UTC

[info]electric_worry
2008-07-08 04:42 pm UTC (link)
at the end we still don't really understand it, but then no one from the civilized world ever can

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[info]recommendation
2008-07-08 04:44 pm UTC (link)
There are some other problems with the story, but there's no point in going into them, because they don't really matter from my viewpoint

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(no subject) - [info]danaelaurm, 2008-07-08 05:02 pm UTC

[info]notacrnflkgirl
2008-07-08 04:48 pm UTC (link)
Some people take up knitting; some take up pure hatred.

D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:

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[info]danaelaurm
2008-07-08 04:57 pm UTC (link)
:p Yeah, "I may be a bigot but at least I was polite about it" ... LOL
(though idk, so much of speculative fiction ends up being about as bigoted as the publisher was just out of cheap desire to make "political fiction")

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[info]sister_anne
2008-07-08 05:14 pm UTC (link)
"Sheet heads." My mouth literally dropped when I read that.

His subsequent comments in LJ were hilarious, though.

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[info]kicey
2008-07-08 05:28 pm UTC (link)
What the fuck is this guy's problem?

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[info]mystik_serena
2008-07-08 05:45 pm UTC (link)
It's like... racist, then patronizing like whoa, then... WHAM. Racism. Sheetheads? wtf?

Some of the other comments to that post made me lol though.

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Context is Everything
[info]solipcyst.blogspot.com
2008-07-08 06:41 pm UTC (link)
As the person who received the rejection, I think people should understand the full context of Mr. Sander's email before they jump to conclusions. I posted it here:

http://solipcyst.blogspot.com

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Re: Context is Everything
[info]shemale
2008-07-08 06:44 pm UTC (link)
well i mean i did post a link to your blog and that particular entry in my post above (under the word "sent" for the latter and under your name for the former).

even given the context, his letter was inexcusable.

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[info]lost_angelwings
2008-07-08 07:18 pm UTC (link)
agreed. his letter was unprofessional and infused with his own personal issues with certain groups and ppl. >:\

I mean "sheet heads"? nah.. he must be referring to the powerful science fiction extremist lobby right?

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Re: Context is Everything
[info]likeawoman
2008-07-08 09:14 pm UTC (link)
what the shit?

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[info]holzman
2008-07-08 09:52 pm UTC (link)
But I could be wrong.

Could be? This dude's raised wrong to both an art form and a lifestyle.

Son, hasn't anybody ever told you that public posting of a private email message is contrary to the rules both of accepted internet practice and common courtesy?

I've been on the Internet since 1988, and this is simply another moment in this fellow's lifestyle of wrong, and for several reasons... but I need not go into them all now.

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[info]benpayne
2008-07-10 09:21 am UTC (link)
Wow. That's fucked up.

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Let's hear it for footbullets!
[info]lukadia
2008-07-10 04:06 pm UTC (link)
It boggles my mind that despite the hundreds of email/AIM/memo/voice recording leak scandals that make the news each year, people in high positions still think nothing of expressing rampant bigotry in print.

Not that I'm complaining. I am all for bigots being loud and easy for the rest of us to spot.

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Re: Let's hear it for footbullets!
[info]hyniof
2008-07-31 07:46 pm UTC (link)
I am all for bigots being loud and easy for the rest of us to spot.

Like the way it says Tranngodihatechristiansiriano at the top of this blog's main page, for instance.

Mike

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Re: Let's hear it for footbullets!
[info]shemale
2008-07-31 11:04 pm UTC (link)
That makes me a bigot... how exactly?

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Re: Let's hear it for footbullets! - [info]lukadia, 2008-08-01 12:53 am UTC
Re: Let's hear it for footbullets! - [info]shemale, 2008-08-01 02:25 am UTC
Re: Let's hear it for footbullets! - [info]lukadia, 2008-08-01 02:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shemale, 2008-08-01 02:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lukadia, 2008-08-01 02:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hyniof, 2008-08-01 02:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dmlaenker, 2008-08-01 03:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kynn, 2008-08-02 02:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kubla42, 2008-08-01 05:09 am UTC
Re: Let's hear it for footbullets! - [info]kittenmommy, 2008-08-08 06:43 pm UTC
Re: Let's hear it for footbullets!
[info]lukadia
2008-08-01 12:42 am UTC (link)
So? I'm Christian and a lot of the time I hate Christians.

I'm not a saint. I'm a tranny in the real world and sometimes it's hard not to want to score points off the dicks who use faith as a weapon against the powerless and suffering masses it was supposed to elevate. Maybe God will grant me the serenity to accept the homophobia, child abuse and suppression of the female that's rampant in organized religious institutions if I'm a good little fag and say all my prayers, but until that day comes the real world is going to keep right on trucking, human weaknesses and all. Sorry that this is a problem for you, and I wish your butt a speedy recovery from its hurting.

But what do I know? Maybe telling God you hate his fan club really is just as bad as casually explaining from your position of power and authority that the sheet-heads aren't human.


EDIT: Oh it's a reference to somebody named Christian and not religious at all? Goddamn it, I was on a roll! You led me astray with your cunning use of boldface :(

Edited at 2008-08-01 02:48 am UTC

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Re: Let's hear it for footbullets! - [info]shemale, 2008-08-01 02:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lost_angelwings, 2008-08-01 02:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lukadia, 2008-08-01 02:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lost_angelwings, 2008-08-01 02:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hyniof, 2008-08-01 02:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]amokk, 2008-08-01 03:35 am UTC
Re: Let's hear it for footbullets! - [info]kynn, 2008-08-02 02:34 pm UTC
Re: Let's hear it for footbullets! - [info]hyniof, 2008-08-02 04:06 pm UTC
Re: Let's hear it for footbullets! - [info]kynn, 2008-08-02 07:17 pm UTC
Re: Let's hear it for footbullets! - [info]hyniof, 2008-08-02 07:25 pm UTC

[info]crypticpress
2008-07-11 08:02 pm UTC (link)
OK, how in this statement is Mr. Sanders referring to the character in the story?

"...most of the SF magazines are very leery of publishing anything that might offend the sheet heads."

He's saying that reads the same as "...anything that might offend the terrorists." Heaven forbid you offend that crucial demographic! They might make you a target! They'll put SF magazines on their list, right next to nudie books.

No, Mr. Sanders, your statement refers to consumers. Replace "sheet heads" with a derogatory term for any other demographic and see how it sounds. If the character in the story was black, would that justify using the n-word?

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you
[info]igorsanchez
2008-07-14 08:59 pm UTC (link)
R U A TRANNY OR TUNA?

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[info]shemale
2008-07-14 09:18 pm UTC (link)
i'm a tranny

lol, "tuna"

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Re: you - [info]igorsanchez, 2008-07-15 07:39 pm UTC

[info]exiledv2
2008-08-01 07:26 am UTC (link)
I wonder why this hasn't made FW yet?

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